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    Billyisgod
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    the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Billyisgod on Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:02 pm

    Gents you may or may not be aware that nine leeds united supporters recieved 3 year banning orders based on evidence provided to a magistrate by the Police, this evidence was that they were drinking in a pub with others and the Police thought it might be because they were going to cause trouble.

    i cant speak for all but i do know that one of those banned is a Trust member, a family man with no previous convictions or allegations made against him, he has no record of violence or disorder he was mereley attending an away game with mates of mates as probably all of us have done in the past and most of us will do in the future. some of you will be aware i provided the lad a personal character reference in my proffesional capacity previous to the hearing yesterday.

    i am personally astonished at the outcome of this case and believe it has potentially very serious implications for other Trust members who i know have attended pubs both before and after away fixtures and have mixed with other Leeds fans they may never have seen before, i know this because i've been there notably at the spurs away cup game earlier this year hen it was clearly obvious the potential for trouble certainly after the game was there for all to see and hear as we were hoarded behind closed doors for our own safety after the final whistle. potentially both me and my wife could have been pictured by Police or by CCTV in and around the area and now be accused of being there to be involved in trouble as could at least three other Trust members i saw at the game and several people from waccoe also.

    i am very worried about the implications of the rulings yesterday and the seemingly open door policy that the Courts are providing for the Police to make allegations based on photographs of people drinking or eating take away in a locality which they think might be problematic. Amanda Jacks (FSF) states simlar concern in her blog here where she makes very clear her concerns.

    we none of us want a return to the tear away days of the eighties but it seems to me we have come full circle, were before those involved in violence ruled the streets it seems to me the Police now want diametrically opposed undemocratic and clearly unlawfull control even over those individuals who seek nothing more than to enjoy and away day supporting their club.

    I am told the FSF and Liberty are investigating the human rights implications of this ruling but i would like to think as an independent body this Trust and is members would support any challenges or actions that may be brought against this ruling and support our member who has found himself a victim of nothing more than circumstance.

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Super Cell on Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:38 am

    Is there any way we can publicise this effectively?

    If we are sure of our facts then I don't think we should be backwards in coming forwards in publicising this on the main Trust website/Facebook page etc.

    It's fine doing it in the forum, but with the best will in the world it has a limited audience. It is this sort of thing that we should be shouting about from the roof-tops IMO.

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Rickd on Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:47 am

    see below


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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Rickd on Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:49 am

    Super Cell wrote:Is there any way we can publicise this effectively?

    If we are sure of our facts then I don't think we should be backwards in coming forwards in publicising this on the main Trust website/Facebook page etc.

    It's fine doing it in the forum, but with the best will in the world it has a limited audience. It is this sort of thing that we should be shouting about from the roof-tops IMO.

    It is already in the hands of the FSF National Council and Liberty.

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Billyisgod on Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:28 pm

    there will be an appeal Si hence we dont want to do anything that might prejudice proceedings but i feel we do need to support our member and let football fans know about the implications of this ruling yes.

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Barca White on Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:25 am

    I think you should convert this message into a blog post Gary and lets put it out there: we can make a statement that the board are very concerned at the outcome and will be putting it on the agenda for september's meeting. That way we can push it through social media / forums etc

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Billyisgod on Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:01 pm

    Barca White wrote:I think you should convert this message into a blog post Gary and lets put it out there: we can make a statement that the board are very concerned at the outcome and will be putting it on the agenda for september's meeting. That way we can push it through social media / forums etc

    Lee how do i do a blog entry? Laughing i know i know i am so 1980's drunken

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Barca White on Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:05 pm

    if you email me a version in word I will put it up for you Smile

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Billyisgod on Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:14 pm

    cheers mate Wink

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Billyisgod on Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:57 am

    Amanda Jacks has just rang to say Radio Leeds are doing a piece on this story tomorow morning around 8am?

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by the_peacock on Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:18 am

    Should be interesting to hear. Can Lee become involved in that? Get an official stance from the trust?

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Rickd on Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:01 am

    Did the Trust get a presence on this show ?
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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by soupdragon on Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:00 am

    Could we start a facebook page, surely this is a matter of human rights !?
    I'm sure this would drum up support from more than just the football community

    Simply drinking in a pub should not prove you are preparing to do anything !!!!!!!!!!

    If your going to drink near me or hold me in conversation I'm going to have to see some form of ID and an up to date CV.........WTF is going on ?

    What planet did they find the Magistrate on ?!

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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Rickd on Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:39 am

    Your outrage is understandable and of course totally correct.
    Liberty are working on this together with the FSF, so it already has support outside of the Football Community.
    If you want to get involved then I'm sure that you will be very welcome but you need to get yourself up to speed with what has taken place and where we are overall with this subject.
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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by soupdragon on Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:23 pm

    Rickd wrote:Your outrage is understandable and of course totally correct.
    Liberty are working on this together with the FSF, so it already has support outside of the Football Community.
    If you want to get involved then I'm sure that you will be very welcome but you need to get yourself up to speed with what has taken place and where we are overall with this subject.

    Aye I'm late to this and didn't have time to read the whole thread
    If this decision was allowed to stand it would have huge implications
    and we would need some clarification!
    Where else are we not allowed to mix with strangers?

    I will keep an eye on the forum for updates
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    Re: the nine leeds fans banned yesterday?!

    Post by Rickd on Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:19 am

    Essentially this is now a national issue (or project) with the Football Supporters Federation who are working with "Liberty".

    I'm not personally involved in what they are doing so I can't provide precise details but the topic was the subject of a break-out session at the recent Fans Parliament at Wembley.

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